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Building enough power plants to double the current US output probably cannot happen in the US on any reasonable timeframe.

First, not all land is equal for solar, some sites are better than others. Second, not all jurisdictions are friendly to permitting big new businesses and especially big transmission lines (look at how long it takes to permission transmission lines). Third, you can already see the political blowback building about datacenters and electricity prices and land use issues. Fourth, even if you can build the gas turbines then you have to build out a huge amount of natural gas infrastructure (look at how many interstate pipelines have been permitted and how long it took to build - hint look at Mountain Valley Pipeline).

Basically, it will take a huge NEW physical footprint for datacenters, power production, natural gas production and transmission.

Solar only generates power about 8 hours or so a day so you need to 2-3x times the panels and add batteries and probably more than that to account for a series of cloudy days and solar only really works effectively in the Southern US for obvious reasons. So your only 1% of the US shrinks to like 5-10% of certain regions which is a lot.

So consider all the jurisdictions (local, state, federal) involved in this scale of buildout and how some might be happy about it and many won't be happy about it. And consider the time scale these jurisdictions operate on.

It is really hard to build physically at scale. I would contend this is China's only real advantage.

So there is some slack in the system and we can build a fair amount especially in places friendly to growth like Texas that is not part of FERC.

Think marginal cost. As the best sites and jurisdictions and low hanging fruit (restarting old nukes) are knocked out, the marginal cost to add more is going to go up. At some point, space might be economic.

And the big advantage of space is the lack of jurisdictions. That is it's key attribute.

Hope this helps. Love the podcast since the scrolls. Hook'em.

(Edit: per Claude I did not clearly make my main point, here is the summary)

Addendum: I want to sharpen my point. I wasn't really making an energy cost argument — I was making a land footprint argument, which is different.

A 1 GW datacenter running 24/7 needs roughly 45 square miles of solar plus storage to back it up. That first 45 square miles is the Mojave — flat, sunny, politically willing. The next 45 square miles are worse on every dimension: worse insolation, worse local politics, longer transmission runs, more litigation. The supply curve slopes up fast.

So the right framing isn't Dwarkesh's "energy is only 15% of datacenter costs." That's the cost of electricity once you already have the land and permits. The real question is the fully-loaded marginal cost of the next acre at scale — land acquisition, transmission interconnect, permitting, litigation, and time. Those costs compound as you exhaust prime sites.

Space doesn't win because it's cheap. It wins if the marginal terrestrial acre gets expensive enough fast enough. At 500 GW of AI compute, that's not obviously wrong.

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